All christians, please try and answer this.

[Paroxysm]

God has the power to prevent evil but chooses not to. He gave us a conscience and if you don't have one that's a lie. Because everyone has a conscience. Science first of all proves nothing. Science cant come in a fireball to light up Moses trench. Science was made by man. Man knows nothing of this world. They just try to think of theories to replace the awesomeness of god.
Yes i truly believe in god.
And to answer your question
"If god sacrified SOOOOOOO MUCH to give u life, why the fk would he want you to spend to much time thanking him ?"

Now suppose you were just a random guy and you saw a kid stranded in a railroad track and a train about 10 feet away. And lets say by god's grace you saved that kid. Would you like him to just walk away and not even show gratitude. Or would you like the kid to thank you.
But wait! let's say the train nearly killed you and saved the kid. would you still like him to just walk away and shun you like nothing happened. Because this is what you non-believers are doing.
It's like going to a complete stranger woman and choosing this woman instead of your hopefully loving and caring mother. Go figure.

If god can prevent evil but chooses not to, he's a dick I.E. malevolent.
A more apt analogy would be:
God builds the train track, god builds the train, god sends the train going down the track, god ties you and the rest of the human race down to the rail and tells you
"Bitch nigga, you wanna live? If so you gotta love me for doing this to you, but you need to be genuine or I won't release you from the tracks."
And then the people who succumbed to Stockholm syndrome say
"Wow God, you're not at all a psychopathic, ego-maniacal, caprices dick, you were even kind enough to tie us down with nylon rope instead of natural fiber rope because that would have exacerbated the rope-burn, thanks man!"

TL;DR: If God exists it's a dick, thank goodness there is no evidence to support its existence.

[Synchromanica]

If god can prevent evil but chooses not to, he's a dick I.E. malevolent.
A more apt analogy would be:
God builds the train track, god builds the train, god sends the train going down the track, god ties you and the rest of the human race down to the rail and tells you
"Bitch nigga, you wanna live? If so you gotta love me for doing this to you, but you need to be genuine or I won't release you from the tracks."
And then the people who succumbed to Stockholm syndrome say
"Wow God, you're not at all a psychopathic, ego-maniacal, caprices dick, you were even kind enough to tie us down with nylon rope instead of natural fiber rope because that would have exacerbated the rope-burn, thanks man!"

TL;DR: If God exists it's a dick, thank goodness there is no evidence to support its existence.

God built the train track, God built the train, we are in the train, the train is 50 feet in the air about to crash into the wall, God gives you a choice to have faith in him and jump, or you can die. If you jump, you are given eternal life, if you choose not to believe, you go to Hell.

Train track is the Human Course, the train is our free will. We get to choose what happens. If God created us, and is omnipotent, he would be able to give us free will. Because we got free will, we chose to disobey, by doing this, we created evil, and death. Satan was created because God also gave the Angels free will, and Satan chose to disobey also. Now Satan wants the Human race. What does God do?

He TRIES to help us, but we choose not to listen to him, meaning he is Omnipotent. By giving us free will, we were the ones that created evil. This makes him God, he is not Malevolent, we are Malevolent. He is Omnipotent, we are not. He didn't create evil, we did. It's OUR fault, quit blaming God for what's happening to the world.

Did God create sin? No, we did!

[Paroxysm]

God built the train track, God built the train, we are in the train, the train is 50 feet in the air about to crash into the wall, God gives you a choice to have faith in him and jump, or you can die.

And somehow you don't see how your god is a dick?

I'm not Christian but this quote is flawed.

For good to exists you need evil. Which is where the Christians believe the Devil steps in.

First of all the quote isn't flawed, evil doesn't need to exist for good to exist according to the Christian doctrine, according to them there is this place called heaven, that is devoid of evil but would that imply that heaven isn't good because there isn't an evil to contrast it? If they try to say hell is the evil, then heaven wasn't good before god created hell? Was heaven completely neutral before the creation of hell?

To cover the free will thing, the moment God decides to create, he immediately denies you free will. God has free will, he can chose to either create you or not create you. Since God is omniscient, he knows what you will do in your life. Knowing what you will do, he creates you anyway, the moment he creates you, you no longer have free will because your life is set in stone.

Now how do the Christians know that Satan is the evil one? Perhaps God is evil and he created Satan as a scapegoat for his malicious behavior, then orders you to worship him or suffer for all eternity. Thus far God's behavior is fairly consistent with an evil God, wouldn't an evil God try to convince you that he is good?

[Empire]

If god can prevent evil but chooses not to, he's a dick I.E. malevolent.
A more apt analogy would be:
God builds the train track, god builds the train, god sends the train going down the track, god ties you and the rest of the human race down to the rail and tells you
"Bitch nigga, you wanna live? If so you gotta love me for doing this to you, but you need to be genuine or I won't release you from the tracks."
And then the people who succumbed to Stockholm syndrome say
"Wow God, you're not at all a psychopathic, ego-maniacal, caprices dick, you were even kind enough to tie us down with nylon rope instead of natural fiber rope because that would have exacerbated the rope-burn, thanks man!"

TL;DR: If God exists it's a dick, thank goodness there is no evidence to support its existence.

Wait, so God made a train, put you on it, and then says "if you wanna live follow me"

Well according to that he WOULD be a dick. Cept that you just made it up, and anyone can make up stories to make God sound like a dick. Thats not even an argument, what you imagine God to be doesn't me has to be that.


You see paroxsym, to me its the perception.

God didn't create me. I don't claim he did. If your going by the logic that God created humans, then whats the problem? Free will exist because i can do what i want. If he made an event that eventually led to me being born, its still free will.


IMO free will exist, the quote from Epicurus(hope i spelled that right) makes sense in the ideology of the time, when the perception of free will was much more blurred than now.


I simply don't see how free will is a hard topic to understand.

[Paroxysm]

Wait, so God made a train, put you on it, and then says "if you wanna live follow me"

Well according to that he WOULD be a dick. Cept that you just made it up, and anyone can make up stories to make God sound like a dick. Thats not even an argument, what you imagine God to be doesn't me has to be that.


You see paroxsym, to me its the perception.

God didn't create me. I don't claim he did. If your going by the logic that God created humans, then whats the problem? Free will exist because i can do what i want. If he made an event that eventually led to me being born, its still free will.


IMO free will exist, the quote from Epicurus(hope i spelled that right) makes sense in the ideology of the time, when the perception of free will was much more blurred than now.


I simply don't see how free will is a hard topic to understand.

First of all my analogy was a response to ghon70's analogy. Second, if you read the bible you would have some perception of where my analogy is coming from. Generally what happens is people don't read their bible, they go to church, listen to nice parts and pretend the bible isn't chalk full of God being an evil dick. Sanctioning genocide, filicide, infanticide, human sacrifice and rape. No those parts aren't the "real" bible to those people.

"God didn't create me. I don't claim he did. If your going by the logic that God created humans, then whats the problem? Free will exist because i can do what i want. If he made an event that eventually led to me being born, its still free will."

If the Christian God exists; it being omniscient, would know what you will do in your life before he creates you, thus when and if he creates you, you are denied free will. If the Christian God exists, free will doesn't, it would only be a pleasant illusion.

[Maddoc]

God has the power to prevent evil but chooses not to. He gave us a conscience and if you don't have one that's a lie. Because everyone has a conscience. Science first of all proves nothing. Science cant come in a fireball to light up Moses trench. Science was made by man. Man knows nothing of this world. They just try to think of theories to replace the awesomeness of god.
Yes i truly believe in god.
And to answer your question
"If god sacrified SOOOOOOO MUCH to give u life, why the fk would he want you to spend to much time thanking him ?"

Now suppose you were just a random guy and you saw a kid stranded in a railroad track and a train about 10 feet away. And lets say by god's grace you saved that kid. Would you like him to just walk away and not even show gratitude. Or would you like the kid to thank you.
But wait! let's say the train nearly killed you and saved the kid. would you still like him to just walk away and shun you like nothing happened. Because this is what you non-believers are doing.
It's like going to a complete stranger woman and choosing this woman instead of your hopefully loving and caring mother. Go figure.

Science was made by man, man was made by god, therefore, science is GODLY.

God built the train track, God built the train, we are in the train, the train is 50 feet in the air about to crash into the wall, God gives you a choice to have faith in him and jump, or you can die. If you jump, you are given eternal life, if you choose not to believe, you go to Hell.

Train track is the Human Course, the train is our free will. We get to choose what happens. If God created us, and is omnipotent, he would be able to give us free will. Because we got free will, we chose to disobey, by doing this, we created evil, and death. Satan was created because God also gave the Angels free will, and Satan chose to disobey also. Now Satan wants the Human race. What does God do?

He TRIES to help us, but we choose not to listen to him, meaning he is Omnipotent. By giving us free will, we were the ones that created evil. This makes him God, he is not Malevolent, we are Malevolent. He is Omnipotent, we are not. He didn't create evil, we did. It's OUR fault, quit blaming God for what's happening to the world.

Did God create sin? No, we did!
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God created us, we created sin, therfore, GOD created sin. Also, if your god isn't Malevolent, WHY'D HE PUT US ON THE TRAIN.

If there is no evil, there can be no good, because there is nothing to compare the good too. Good and Evil are two sides of the same coin: There cannot be one without the other.

God created good, therefore he created evil

[radnomguywfq3]

Ok, what I want is a straight answer from a christian.

Here is my question.

“Is God willing to prevent evil, but not able?
Then he is not omnipotent.
Is he able, but not willing?
Then he is malevolent.
Is he both able and willing?
Then whence cometh evil?
Is he neither able nor willing?
Then why call him God?”

I'm not Christian but this quote is flawed.

For good to exists you need evil. Which is where the Christians believe the Devil steps in. There have been remarkable miracles and tragedies.

All in all, no one should be debating over this unless there are at least two conflicting opinions by two poor souls which have taken the time to read the dry pages of the bible(or rather, bullshit).

IMHO anyone who claims to be Christian is a hypocrite. You can make all the excuses you want, but if you truly believe in the bible, then you'd know you've sinned a disgustingly large amount in the past. Though, a fair amount of you haven't read the book or even gone to church for that matter, so I doubt any of you have any more then an extremely general and basic idea of it, and what is not a sin.

You simply label yourself a Christian because that's what your parents have told you.

[Synchromanica]

I'm not Christian but this quote is flawed.

For good to exists you need evil. Which is where the Christians believe the Devil steps in. There have been remarkable miracles and tragedies.

All in all, no one should be debating over this unless there are at least two conflicting opinions by two poor souls which have taken the time to read the dry pages of the bible(or rather, bullshit).

IMHO anyone who claims to be Christian is a hypocrite. You can make all the excuses you want, but if you truly believe in the bible, then you'd know you've sinned a disgustingly large amount in the past.

I know I have sinned in the past.That's where repenting comes into play. God wants us to repent, and there's nothing wrong in doing so.

[why06]

You simply label yourself a Christian because that's what your parents have told you.

That's what I do. Not seeing the problem...

[[MPGH]AVGN]

Religion was formed out of necesity. People of ancient times could not understand the world around them and created God(s) to answer the unexplainable answers of life. Look at all of the native peoples of lands all over the world. They all have some kind of religion, knowing nothing of the outside world. It is apparenlty a part of human evolution to do this.

Still the question remains, how was the universe created, I mean, who or what created the big bang? You know what I mean? Like who? God?Aliens? Is the universe a snow globe in some other dimension? We may never find that answer.

[Maddoc]

Religion was formed out of necesity. People of ancient times could not understand the world around them and created God(s) to answer the unexplainable answers of life. Look at all of the native peoples of lands all over the world. They all have some kind of religion, knowing nothing of the outside world. It is apparenlty a part of human evolution to do this.

Still the question remains, how was the universe created, I mean, who or what created the big bang? You know what I mean? Like who? God?Aliens? Is the universe a snow globe in some other dimension? We may never find that answer.

Bing Bang started by the space in between spaces being twisted epto-mechologically. IN other words, they had a group fuck.

Proof where God made everything?
Proof where Big Bang theory made everything? (No proof cuz its a theory)

So I propose that a giant penis started everything with a vagina -.-

Umm, have you been drunk for the past 2 YEARS. They KNOW the Big Bang theory is real, because the universe is still exapnding because of that, they found the center of the universe, where it all originated, they KNOW the universe is 14 billion years old. BAM

/me
(srry for double post)

[Empire]

Bing Bang started by the space in between spaces being twisted epto-mechologically. IN other words, they had a group fuck.



Umm, have you been drunk for the past 2 YEARS. They KNOW the Big Bang theory is real, because the universe is still exapnding because of that, they found the center of the universe, where it all originated, they KNOW the universe is 14 billion years old. BAM

/me
(srry for double post)

>_< Geez, if the big theory is 100% real/true it would be a law. Tadaaa.

They only can guess at the most. It might be an educated guess, but a guess all the same.

[Maddoc]

>_< Geez, if the big theory is 100% real/true it would be a law. Tadaaa.

They only can guess at the most. It might be an educated guess, but a guess all the same.

But no one else has proven that god exists. Ok, I'll admit, there might be a god, but thats all belief, which is really the strongest proof anyone needs.

My example to my point: The army. If they didnt believe in their cause, they'd shit themselves and hide in a bunker in someplace. Science proves that there isn't a god, but only to a point. There is a god, because he was made by people's belief in him. If no one believed in god, then he wouldn't still be remembered, and he wouldn't be "almighty". So, in reality, the argument over if there is a god or not will ultimately only end when either:

A) Everyone in the world stops believing in some higher power/god.
B) God reveals himself to his believers in a way that can be proven.
C) The human race goes extinct.

I bet no one here can say they haven't believed in something before. Belief is their argument, and it's the strongest one so far. Science can only prove so much.

[Paroxysm]

>_< Geez, if the big theory is 100% real/true it would be a law. Tadaaa.

They only can guess at the most. It might be an educated guess, but a guess all the same.

You're conflating laws of nature with acts of nature. The Big Bang can't be condensed into a nice little formula, it's a culmination of observations that converge on a specific explanation. Colloquially the Big Bang is a fact, scientifically it's a theory, this isn't due to a limitation of science but a change in cultural dialect, society is too disconnected from science and that's a problem. The meaning of a word in a scientific sense are often mistake for their colloquial counterpart.

[Empire]

You're conflating laws of nature with acts of nature. The Big Bang can't be condensed into a nice little formula, it's a culmination of observations that converge on a specific explanation. Colloquially the Big Bang is a fact, scientifically it's a theory, this isn't due to a limitation of science but a change in cultural dialect, society is too disconnected from science and that's a problem. The meaning of a word in a scientific sense are often mistake for their colloquial counterpart.

Paroxysm, you do know that this is the internet. Speaking "big" words that basically stand for smaller words, isn't needed. Especially when 90% of the people here are 16-

Its not really a problem that society is disconnected from science. If it was, its probably due to the fact that the people who recieve "higher" education tend to act smug. If God doesn't exist to them, i really do see why they do that, because they don't want to admit that they haven't enjoyed their life.