
Originally Posted by
cobi45

Okay, well it seems to me that some people turned this around into tactics of World War II that would decide the outcome of the war. (Newsflash, we don't use the same tactics!

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Although being an American citizen, I am not a close-minded Republican, or a way too open-minded Democrat (no offense to either, let's not make this a political debate, those are the stereotypes, let them be.) I am actually quite Communist (Don't flame me, not the point here.) Now before you link me to China, let me just say that China is NOT Communist! China is Fascist. That being out of the way, I believe it would be a VERY close call, but the United States would win it. My reasons;
UNITED STATES' ADVANTAGES!
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1.Extremely strong morale
2.People are united by CHOICE! (goes along with the whole "strong morale" thing...)
3.Superior Technology (let's face it, we do have better guns/artillery.)
4.History has shown us to be capable of being an industrial GIANT
5.With a MUCH larger Navy and Airforce (Combined with that of the Royal Navy, and RAF from Britain, who would no-doubt be on our side) we would wreak havoc from both sea and air, cutting off any shipping routes.
6.Allies in the East! Most countries (if the US would ever bark the order) world most definitely enlist a trade embargo on China.
7.^Thus being said, China's economy MIGHT topple. I use the word MIGHT because:
During WWII, when Germany was getting the SHIT bombed out of it, they built underground factories. China could do the same.
CHINA'S ADVANTAGES!
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1.INCREDIBLE numbers of manpower
2.Extreme productivity
3.CURRENTLY an industrial giant
4.Extreme conditioning of troops (what are you going to do, tell a fascist country "oh, you can't do that..."?)
5.Location! Location! Location! Most of their allies surround them, and the country is large enough we might NEVER find the factories (especially if underground, as stated above)
This would be an epic battle, but I think the U.S. would come out the champ. If it is conventional warfare (my favorite, no cheap WMD's) then yes, the United States would come out on top. The above reasons stated are my argument. Care to argue further? Go for it

I love debates.
Other than that, I'd like to just clear something up quickly. Someone (I can't remember, i'm not going back after all of this typing) said that Japan started to lose after not being able to take inland China. This is WRONG! Japan was still knocking the crap out of China for a while, and nobody felt the right to step in. It was just Imperialism after all, everyone else was doing it, right? Well, after the Rape of Nanking (look it up, gruesome stuff) a lot of countries were like "WOAH!" too far! Of course, that resolve was strengthened by the tragic bombing of Pearl Harbor, which was a FAILED Japanese attack. Japan was supposed to declare war right before the attack took place (their embassy couldn't translate the papers fast enough, LOL) and the goal was to hit the battleships, yes, but their main target was the 3 US aircraft carriers and the dry docks. The carriers weren't even at Pearl Harbor (way to do your research, Japan...) and the dry docks were missed. So we churned out boats faster than ever. Even then, though, we were extremely outnumbered. It was sheer LUCK that made us able to destroy the Japanese aircraft carriers one by one, on our Pacific campaign. So, we were victorious, we came out alive by the skin of our teeth. Japan was NOT going to surrender, even AFTER the first A-Bomb. They thought we only had one, so they did not surrender.

well we dropped our second one. Then the Emperor finally took control back and surrendered.
^There was your little history lesson, I've studied WWII for about 7 years now, I'm a FANATIC when it comes to it

China is not actually fascist. If it was fascist, it would have a single dictator. Instead, China has a single-party rule. No one person controls the entire country. Hu Jinatao/Xi Jinping does not control the entire country.
In a conventional warfare, it depends on the location. Whoever strikes first loses. The supply line from China to America and vice versa is simply too long. Also, anti-aircraft missiles (SAMs) today are deadly accurate. A fighter jet or bomber would not be able to cross into either country's border without being shot down or intercepted. Also, a missile would not be able to reach either country without being detected by the enemy radar.
U.S. surveillance plane lands in China after collision with fighter - CNN
The Western powers didn't step in because of the Rape of Nanjing. They stepped in because the Japanese were threatening the European colonies in Asia. So the US held an oil embargo against Japan. The US feared that once Japan takes China, Japan would move on to take the US, and by then the Japanese Navy would be invincible. China was able to repel the Japanese attacks by trading land for time.
Japan’s initial victories were followed by a period of stagnation. The size of China, the sheer manpower she could field, and the lack of Chinese infrastructure, roads, bridges, and communications, made further advance difficult. By 1938, Chinese and Japanese troops were fighting in stalemate. This stalemate would continue until the Japanese would advance against the Allies in 1941.
The Second Sino-Japanese War: Page 2 | The World War II Multimedia Database
Why do you think the USSR was never conquered by Germany?
Interesting article:
China vs America: fight of the century | Prospect Magazine
This article basically questions what constitutes a victory in a war between China and the US. It basically says that the victory will be a phyrric victory.
The US is also not China's main trading partner:
Utilized foreign direct investment (FDI) dropped by 0.5 percent in 2005, but increased by 6.4 percent in the first quarter of 2006 to $14.2 billion.
The United States continues to be China's fifth-largest source of FDI behind Hong Kong, the Virgin Islands, Japan, and South Korea.
Issues likely to affect foreign investment in 2006 include the new labor contract law, the discontinuation of foreign-invested enterprise representative offices, the antimonopoly law, and the implementation of distribution rights.
The PRC Ministry of Commerce announced that it will no longer publish contracted FDI values, a figure used by many analysts as an indicator of future investment.
This is not to say ordering a trade embargo will harm either country more than the other, but simply liquidating businesses in China is both illegal and unfeasible. No country can simply nationalize a factory for its own use.

Originally Posted by
cobi45
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1.Extremely strong morale
2.People are united by CHOICE! (goes along with the whole "strong morale" thing...)
3.Superior Technology (let's face it, we do have better guns/artillery.)
4.History has shown us to be capable of being an industrial GIANT
5.With a MUCH larger Navy and Airforce (Combined with that of the Royal Navy, and RAF from Britain, who would no-doubt be on our side) we would wreak havoc from both sea and air, cutting off any shipping routes.
6.Allies in the East! Most countries (if the US would ever bark the order) world most definitely enlist a trade embargo on China.
7.^Thus being said, China's economy MIGHT topple. I use the word MIGHT because:
During WWII, when Germany was getting the SHIT bombed out of it, they built underground factories. China could do the same.
1.,2. -> Like I said before, it depends on the location of the battle.
3. -> True, but China's military is much less transparent. So who knows. However, the US has several experience with combat.
4. China has a strong, stable economy because the CCP sets quotas for each government owned industry. For every fighter jet lost in combat, China could build 2, 3, 4, etc... The US prides itself on quality over quantity. However, there is a limit to how much more stronger you can build a fighter jet or assault rifle better than your enemy.
5. Having a much larger navy and airforce doesn't amount to anything once war starts. With China's economy and infrastructure, China could simply convert the factories to build fighter jets and ships. However, like I said before, the US prides itself on quality over quantity.
6. Like I said before, if there were no allies involved. Like I said before, ordering a trade embargo doesn't do anything because there are always countries friendly to China, like Zimbabwe, Russia, Iran, Venezuela, and India who would be willing to still trade with both countries.
7. A country's economy doesn't topple because someone bombs their factories. An economy topples once a country starts receiving less resources, which results in less productivity. Furthermore, once a country converts their factories into war machines, less resources are poured into making civilian products, thus increasing costs for simple everyday items. The severity of deflation/recession/depression varies upon every country.